've tried to do -- to not do that, get the energy of young conservative hero paul ryan, with -- and then distance themselves from the things that make him a conservative hero, seems whack a doodle. why not put rob portman on the ticket as people thought they were going to do from the beginning. >> with the other piece of sound demonstrates mitt romney feels like he's getting upstaged by paul ryan in terms of the love out there, which i think is emasculating to say the least, hugo. in the long scheme of this, after this is all said and done, if mitt romney doesn't win this race, is the ryan brand damaged or is it intact? >> i think it's obviously too soon to tell that. i doubt it will be severely damaged but i think, you know, for me, i think there is that initial awkwardness right after he sort of tapped him and then comes to the convention, i was expecting here's the great synthesis, worked this out, ryan's speech will lay it out, see where the romney/ryan roads meet and we're going to -- i expected that would really be the pretty big sort of new starting point for the